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  • ostatnio widziany/a:2012-09-27 17:59:02
Hi

I am changing the radiator on my Zafira B Z19DTH and am using the great guide.

BUT...

It seems that the seller has either sent me a wrong radiator or did not include all needed parts.

Look at this picture, it is the old and new radiator side by side.

http://images41.fotosik.pl/1766/c75ce60e1211f5b5.jpg
{B} Radiator change - two types/ Ch艂odnica wody w 1.9 cdti - dwa rodzaje


As you might notice the radiators look totally identical in every way except in the new one there are 2 red plugs, when i remove them there are 2 big holes into the radiator. (And the plugs are only dustcaps, they will not hold any hot pressurised water back)

On the old one i have NO holes.

Does anyone know if they sent the wrong radiator or if they forgot to send some plugs to plug the holes ?

It seems like a waste of time to mount this radiator with 2 holes that are bigger than in the old radiator cause the water will certainly escape.

What do i do ?

My immediate reaction would be to make a couple of small pieces of metal fitting the holes and just weld them shut but i am not certain that my welding skills will be great enough to do weldings that are so good that they will be able to hold back hot pressurised water.


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U偶y艂em waszego super tutoriala co do wymiany ch艂odnicy, ale mam problem. Albo sprzedawca przes艂a艂 mi z艂膮 ch艂odnic臋 albo brakuje jaki艣 cz臋艣ci, np. czujnik贸w co by wkr臋ci膰 w dwa kr贸膰ce kt贸re pokaza艂em na fotce. Po lewej ch艂odnica kt贸r膮 kupi艂em, a po prawej ch艂odnica kt贸ra wykr臋ci艂em z auta. Czy kto艣 mo偶e pom贸c? Zaspawa膰 te otwory? albo wkr臋ci膰 jakie艣 korki? Tylko czy taki zabieg uszczelni wystarczaj膮co ch艂odnic臋?
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Odp: Major problem with radiator change
« Odpowied藕 #1 dnia: 2012-09-24 17:07:02 »
post your vin, I'll check the right part number, and also post the producer and the part number of the radiator they've sent you


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Daj mi sw贸j Vin to sprawdz臋 jaki powinien by膰 numer. Wrzu膰 te偶 numer i producenta ch艂odnicy, kt贸ry zam贸wi艂e艣   
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Odp: Major problem with radiator change
« Odpowied藕 #2 dnia: 2012-09-24 17:26:49 »
post your vin, I'll check the right part number, and also post the producer and the part number of the radiator they've sent you

Ill send the VIN as PM

Seems that the seller has sold me a Zafira B radiator for a Z19DTH 2005-> with a OEM number of : 1300 275 13171432

This number was also given to me by 2 different other resellers as the right number.

Sadly i now see that the number on the sticker on the radiator that was not easily visible when ordering is : 13171429

I am thinking about drilling out the metal plug to the correct size and making some threads to put a bolt into and then weld the end of the bolt. Other than the 2 holes the radiator seems to fit nicely.

EDIT : I think i will instead try to get some plugs manufactured at my work.

In the holes that i need to plug there are rubber o-rings so if i get a plug machined that will just fit into those holes and then tag it with a welder so that it cannot pop out i guess that it would be allright.

Hopefully one of the metal workers will have time to manufacture these 2 small plugs tomorrow so that i can fit the radiator.

Have checked that everything else is exactly the same.

Just wondering what the devil they planned on putting into those 2 holes in the first place.


 
T艂umaczenie w skr贸cie:
Wygl膮da na to, 偶e sprzedawca mi przes艂a艂 ch艂odnic臋 zgodn膮 z numerami orygina艂u dla z19dth, tzn 13 00 275,  13171432.
Co dziwne, teraz zwr贸ci艂em uwag臋, 偶e na naklejce na mojej starej ch艂odnicy jest numer: 13171429
 
Mam zamiar wygwintowa膰 te otwory, wkr臋ci膰 艣ruby i zaspawa膰. Pod ka偶dym innym wzgl臋dem te ch艂odnice s膮 takie same.
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Odp: Major problem with radiator change
« Odpowied藕 #3 dnia: 2012-09-24 19:39:49 »
well, according to your VIN, your radiator has the following numbers:
 

GM no.: 13171432 ,
catalogue no.:  13 00 275
 
so, looks like the seller has made no mistake, and I have no idea why there is this difference and why the old one has a different number on the sticker. Possibly someone has already replaced it? Are you the first owner? According to the vin, your bus was sold in Danmark.   

 
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Wed艂ug Vinu twoja ch艂odnica to:
GM: 13171432 ,
Kat:  13 00 275
 
Wi臋c wygl膮da na to, 偶e sprzedwca nie pope艂ni艂 b艂臋du. Nie mam jednak poj臋cia dlaczego te ch艂dnice si臋 r贸zni膮 i dlaczego numer na starej ch艂ocnie jest jeszcze inny鈥..mo偶e kto艣 ju偶 wymienia艂鈥.jeste艣 pierwszym w艂a艣cielem? Auto wed艂ug vinu jest na rynek du艅ski.
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Odp: Major problem with radiator change
« Odpowied藕 #4 dnia: 2012-09-24 20:08:27 »
well, according to your VIN, your radiator has the following numbers:
 

GM no.: 13171432 ,
catalogue no.:  13 00 275
 
so, looks like the seller has made no mistake, and I have no idea why there is this difference and why the old one has a different number on the sticker. Possibly someone has already replaced it? Are you the first owner? According to the vin, your bus was sold in Danmark.   

If the radiator has been replaced and with a different one than the one it was bought with i just dont understand where the sensors that would fit those holes have gone.

Did you ever change yours and if yes, was there any sensors in those 2 holes ?

I have no idea if it indeed has been changed before but since the car is only 4陆 years old i would think that it was a bit wild if the radiator had already gone twice ?

I am the second owner and yes the bus was sold in Denmark and this is also where i live.

Do you know what sensors would fit ? Maybe if they are cheap thermo sensors i could just buy 2 and insert them into the holes and just not hook them up ?

T艂umaczenie w skr贸cie:
tak jestem 2 w艂a艣cielem ale nie s膮dze, 偶e ch艂odnica by艂a ju偶 wymienia, gdy偶 auto ma 4 lata. Tak, auto kupione w Dani, gdzie mieszkam.

Czy kto艣 wie co to za czujniki tam maj膮 by膰 wkr臋cone? Mo偶e s膮 tanie i je po prostu kupi臋? 
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« Odpowied藕 #5 dnia: 2012-09-24 20:22:40 »
no idea what should be fitted in the holes. This is a pic of the radiator from the EPC in accordance with your vin. Looks like there are spots there, however they are plugged, just like the one you've taken out of the bus. 

http://images50.fotosik.pl/1674/361a7abc1f5f3e67.jpg
{B} Radiator change - two types/ Ch艂odnica wody w 1.9 cdti - dwa rodzaje


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NIe mam poj臋cia co tam ma by膰 wkr臋cone. To fotka z EPC, s膮 jakby zaznaczone te miejsca, ale s膮 za艣lepione
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« Odpowied藕 #6 dnia: 2012-09-24 21:07:13 »
no idea what should be fitted in the holes. This is a pic of the radiator from the EPC in accordance with your vin. Looks like there are spots there, however they are plugged, just like the one you've taken out of the bus. 

http://images50.fotosik.pl/1674/361a7abc1f5f3e67.jpg
{B} Radiator change - two types/ Ch艂odnica wody w 1.9 cdti - dwa rodzaje


Yeah, that one looks just like the one i took out. there seem to be some markings for the holes but they were never cut on this particular radiator.

It just baffles me that every site i have looked and everyone i asked told me that this 13171432 radiator would be the right one.

I also really dont understand how opel could have just omitted these 2 sensors from my car if they are in "all" other zafira's like mine.

The radiator is a Nissens 63115A and i checked a few sites and they all say that this radiator replaces "13171432" .

Have written to the seller for clarification but i think no matter what i will just have to plug the 2 holes, hopefully with 2 specially made plugs that i hope to get one of the metalworkers at work to make for me on a metal lathe tomorrow.

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Zakupie艂em  Nissens 63115A bo w kilku miejscach mi powiedziano, 偶e to zamiennik dla orygina艂u o numerze 13171432
Kolega w pracy ma mi dorobi膰 korki do tych dziur...mo偶e na jutro
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« Odpowied藕 #7 dnia: 2012-09-24 23:46:11 »
The radiator is a Nissens 63115A and i checked a few sites and they all say that this radiator replaces "13171432" .

according to some Polish seller, this radiator is for ZB with automatic transmission. So looks like there are some two hoses being hooked up for cooling the automatic gearbox.

edit:
Yes,  deffinately the whole thing is about the type of transmission. You should have bought:

NISSENS 630705, instead of 63115A

http://www.motoneo.pl/t/z1/NIS630705


So your seller proved to be incompetent, as he hadn't asked what kind of transmission you have. Thank God,
there are forums.


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I wszystko jasne. Sprzedali CI ch艂odnic臋 do ZB z automatem. Wygl膮da na to, 偶e tam wchodz膮 dwa przewody do ch艂odzenia skyrzni.

Powiniene艣 by艂 kupi膰:
 NISSENS 630705, a nie 63115A
 
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« Odpowied藕 #8 dnia: 2012-09-25 20:27:36 »
630705

Thank you for the great help, i have written to the seller about this problem, he clearly states on his ebay site that this one is for both manual and automatic transmission and this cannot be true.

Will have to see what he replies.

This is what i did instead to plug the holes and now the radiator is fitted and i lost no water on a quick test drive where the engine reached the operating temperature of 84-86 degrees.

Manufactured plugs :

http://images43.fotosik.pl/1556/3d24054055968c75.jpg
{B} Radiator change - two types/ Ch艂odnica wody w 1.9 cdti - dwa rodzaje


Holes in the radiator :

http://images42.fotosik.pl/591/624c2fd4d0b583f0.jpg
{B} Radiator change - two types/ Ch艂odnica wody w 1.9 cdti - dwa rodzaje


Holes with the plug in and the circlip mounted.

http://images38.fotosik.pl/1801/1d2f35ee8d8ae486.jpg
{B} Radiator change - two types/ Ch艂odnica wody w 1.9 cdti - dwa rodzaje


In the holes there were a rubber o-ring and i also gave it some sealant before putting the plug into the hole.

Just sad that i had to do all this because someone sold me something that did not fit as promised.

Lesson learned, before ordering something like this again i will investigate much more to be sure to not get the wrong part.

Once again thank you for the help, it has been invaluable.

PS. I put in about 5 liters of coolant. I see that there is some mention of letting trapped air out thru this :

http://images35.fotosik.pl/1631/74f655b69900ba92.jpg
{B} Radiator change - two types/ Ch艂odnica wody w 1.9 cdti - dwa rodzaje
But i can only turn this one about 1-2 times around and no water comes out even if i wait and the water level in the tank does not seem to drop.

Is this normal or do i need to do something else ?


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Dzi臋ki za pomoc. Sprzedawca pisze wyra藕nie, 偶e to ch艂odnica dla manuala i automatu. Napisa艂em mu info, zobaczymy co odpowie.   
 
Oto fotki za艣lepek kt贸re dorobi艂em. Za艣lepki wkr臋ci艂em i za艂o偶y艂em ch艂odnic臋. Jestem ju偶 po przeja偶d偶ce przy temp 84-86 i jest chyba szczelna.
 
Do otwor贸w gdzie by艂y oringi do艂o偶y艂em jeszcze uszczleniacz.
 
No c贸偶, nauczka, ale jestem wkurzony, 偶e musia艂em robi膰 ca艂y ten cyrk poprzez b艂膮d sprzedawcy .
 
Jeszcze raz wielkie dzi臋ki za nieocenion膮 pomoc
 
PS, wla艂em 5 litr贸w p艂ynu
 
Widz臋, 偶e na tej fotce jest odpowietrznik. Kr臋c臋 nim tylko 1 lub 2 obroty ale nie ma 艣ladu wody a poziom w zbiorniczku te偶 nic nie opada鈥..czy to normalne czy co艣 jeszcze musz臋 zrobi膰?
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A mate, Woytas, says that to his mind you need to let the air out while the fan is working, meaning the temp is at least 98 degrees. Try undoing that vent then or just try boiling the water with the reservoir cap off.   



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Kolega Woytas nie jest pewny ale uwa偶a, 偶e nale偶y odpowietrza膰 przy max temp, przy pracy wiatraka...lub po prostu spr贸bowa膰 zagotowa膰 p艂yn z otwartym zbiorniczkiem. 
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A mate, Woytas, says that to his mind you need to let the air out while the fan is working, meaning the temp is at least 98 degrees. Try undoing that vent then or just try boiling the water with the reservoir cap off.   

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Kolega Woytas nie jest pewny ale uwa偶a, 偶e nale偶y odpowietrza膰 przy max temp, przy pracy wiatraka...lub po prostu spr贸bowa膰 zagotowa膰 p艂yn z otwartym zbiorniczkiem. 


Ok, will try that.

I was told by someone else today that if the radiator has these holes for the automatic transmission then it will be more than likely that it will be a seperate circuit. If this is true, then the plugs i got manufactured was actually not needed.

Oh well, the car is running well and it does not leak at all so i think i will just try the trick with the air bleed valve you just told me and then just assume that everything is allright :)

Once again, thanks a lot for all your kind help and thanks for putting up with a noob like me ;-)


w skr贸cie:
kto艣 mi powiedzia艂, 偶e te dwa kr贸膰ce na przewody do ZB w automacie s膮 tak naprawd臋 od osobnego obiegu, tak偶e nie musia艂em je za艣lepia膰. Tak czy inaczej nic mi nie cieknie i jest ok. Spr贸buje odpowietrzy膰 tak jak kolega sugeruj臋. Jeszcze raz dzi臋ki ....
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